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How Stand-alone is Titan Legions?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 8:47 pm 
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I understand that Titan Legions (1994) is a complete game in that you can play it with just what is in the box. However, I mostly hear about people expanding the game by throwing in Space Marine 2e (apparently with some minor adjustments—I'd be curious to know what those adjustments were, as well). But can you use Titan Legions alone to play broader games than just Titan vs Titan bashes? I recall there were stats for some infantry and tanks in the rulebook or codex book, but how complete were these? How many unit cards were included in just the Titan Legions box? If you wanted to play something close to SM2, could you do it with just Titan Legions, or would you need to get Warlords, Renegades etc box expansions to really flesh out the other races and armies? Were the Titan Legions rules for infantry very trimmed down, or were they identical to SM2?

Also, out of curiosity, how many people still play the original SM2 or Titan Legions? Do you play with the expansion box sets, or are they rather optional?


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 Post subject: Re: How Stand-alone is Titan Legions?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:58 pm 
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the Titan Legions box is a standalone expansion for SM 2nd ed. the rules etc covered all the basic units from the Ork, eldar and imperial forces (much more than was in the SM2 box), as well as some chaos and squats if i remember correctly - It had cards for new units for all the races, as well as some core company/support/special cards that were also in the SM2 box. The rules were exactly the same, and in some cases updated for errors in the original SM2 stuff that was covered later in white dwarf.

Most people here that still want to play SM2/Titan Legions have moved on to 'NetEpic' i think, as that is as close as you are going to get, whilst still being updated for newer armies etc.

I'm sure there are still people that play vanilla SM2/TL, and definitely some that buy the boxes/expansions purely for collections sake.

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 Post subject: Re: How Stand-alone is Titan Legions?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:12 am 
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Hm, I recently came by a cheap copy of Titan Legions and I guess I was wondering if I can play a full SM2 style game with just that box (for the record, I also own the SM2 box, but I found the rules and army coverage pretty sparse as well). I could hunt for the four SM2 army expansion boxes (Renegades, Warlords, Hive War and Armies of the Imperium), but I'd rather not bother unless it was absolutely necessary. I've seen NetEpic and it looks fine, but I tend to be a purist and would prefer to play the original game that was good enough to inspire things like NetEpic.


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 Post subject: Re: How Stand-alone is Titan Legions?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 1:26 am 
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Hi!

You want to play "stock" SM2, then you will need all the expansions as the army lists in the main box sets and TL are pretty bare bones.

TL has more "crunch". But it still lacks what all the expansion boxes had.

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 Post subject: Re: How Stand-alone is Titan Legions?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:25 pm 
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Titan Legions only comes with models for the Imperator, Knights, Mega-Gargants, and Bonebreakas, but it does come with a few army cards and rules for them for everyone other than the Tyranids (who weren't in the system yet). For example, the codex comes with rules for Tactical Space Marines and the Thunderhawk, and the cards to go with them, but not rules for Vindicators and Librarians for example. Here's a list of the unit cards and rules the game includes:

Special card – Knight Baron
Special card – Imperator Titan
Special card – Reaver titan
Special card – Mekboy Gargant
Special card – Gargant bigmob
Special card – Warlock
Special card – Warlock Titan
Special card – Squat Colossus
Special card – Squat Cyclops
Company card – Knight Paladin household
Company card – Warlord titan battlegroup
Company card – Reaver titan battlegroup
Company card – Techguard titan defence
Company card – Techguard mechanised assault
Company card – Stormblade company
Company card – Leman russ company
Company card – Imperial Guard tactical company
Company card – Space Marine tactical company
Company card – Squat warrior brotherhood
Company card – Eldar Warhost
Company card – Phantom Titan Squadron
Company card – Bloodthirster
Company card – Mega gargant
Company card – Goff clan
Support card – Warhound Titans
Support card – Knight Paladins
Support card – Knight Lancers
Support card – Knight Errants
Support card – Knight crusader
Support card – Knight castellan
Support card – Stormblade
Support card – Leman Russ squadron
Support card – Techguard mechanised heavy ptn
Support card – Techguard support platoon
Support card – Hydra battery
Support card – Chimera detachment
Support card – Manticore Battery
Support card – Basilisk Battery
Support card – Space Marine Thunderhawk
Support card – Landraider squad
Support card – Tactical squad
Support card – Imperial Guard platoon
Support card – Eldar Faclon detachment
Support card – Eldar firestorm
Support card – Eldar nightwing
Support card – Eldar guardian squad
Support card – Ork bonebreakers
Support card – Magnum Megacannon
Support card – Ork Braincrushas
Support card – Squat Thunderfire battery
Support card – Overlord airship
Support card – Squat warrior detachment
Support card – Gyrocopter squad
Support card – Chaos Juggernaughts
Support card – Chaos Beastman
Support card – Chaos space marine detachment
Support card – Banelord titan
Support card – Daemon engines of Khorne

Some odd choices there... So if you had the minis, then you could play a wider came than just with what comes included in the box. However, because of that infamous rule declaring that only weapons with a -1 saving through can knock down shields, you'll find many of these basic units receiving a lot more pain than they will inflict.

I did appreciate the scenario book tho, and planned to play more games expanding on the forces in them, but never got around to it.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 11:16 pm 
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The very first Epic game Adeptus Titanicus was nothing but Titans vs. Titans. And the follow on supplement Codex Titanicus added a lot more nice details ...

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