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Hive Fleet Dagon v4.71 and original F-ERC lists
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Author:  Mrdiealot [ Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v3.5 and original F-ERC lists

Post updated

Author:  Mrdiealot [ Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.0 and original F-ERC lists

Post updated

Author:  Mrdiealot [ Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.2 and original F-ERC lists

First batrep posted: http://www.taccmd.tacticalwargames.net/ ... 18#p629318

Author:  Mrdiealot [ Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.2, v4.5b and original F-ERC lists

Added the v4.5 beta to the top post.

Author:  atension [ Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.2, v4.5b and original F-ERC lists

This list is looking good! Very slowly getting my nids force painted. Gotta get the tabletop sim program. That bat rep looks amazing.

Author:  Mrdiealot [ Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.2, v4.5b and original F-ERC lists

Thanks! I've have had a lot of fun making / remixing models for TTS (most of it is repurposed stuff from 40k TTS). While it certainly isn't like playing in real life, the convenience is through the roof when doing playtesting.

Author:  Mrdiealot [ Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.5 and original F-ERC lists

Post updated to v4.5. Hope to be able to play a game this week with it.

Author:  atension [ Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.5 and original F-ERC lists

Just having fun building lists and I found a few very powerful combinations:

Minor swarm 100 + 2x Bio-support upgrades (2x100) = 300 points
thats 3x zoanthroaps (with AA) and 6 1BP disrupt, IF OR 6 MW4+.

That is some powerful cheap artillery.

This would be a dangerous list:

Incompertus, 3000 POINTS
Hive Fleet Dagon (4.5 TCMD forum)
==================================================
MINOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [250]
Tyranid Warriors, Gaunts (4 Termagaunts), 2 Zoanthrope, Bio-Support (3 Dagon Dactylis)
MINOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [250]
Tyranid Warriors, Gaunts (4 Termagaunts), 2 Zoanthrope, Bio-Support (3 Dagon Dactylis)
MINOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [250]
Tyranid Warriors, Gaunts (4 Termagaunts), 2 Zoanthrope, Bio-Support (3 Dagon Dactylis)
MINOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [250]
Tyranid Warriors, Gaunts (4 Termagaunts), 2 Zoanthrope, Bio-Support (3 Dagon Dactylis)
MINOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [250]
Tyranid Warriors, Gaunts (4 Termagaunts), 2 Zoanthrope, Bio-Support (3 Dagon Dactylis)
MINOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [250]
Tyranid Warriors, Gaunts (4 Termagaunts), 2 Zoanthrope, Bio-Support (3 Dagon Dactylis)
MINOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [250]
Tyranid Warriors, Gaunts (4 Termagaunts), 2 Zoanthrope, Bio-Support (3 Dagon Dactylis)
MINOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [250]
Tyranid Warriors, Gaunts (4 Termagaunts), 2 Zoanthrope, Bio-Support (3 Dagon Dactylis)
MINOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [250]
Tyranid Warriors, Gaunts (4 Termagaunts), 2 Zoanthrope, Bio-Support (3 Dagon Dactylis)
MINOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [250]
Tyranid Warriors, Gaunts (4 Termagaunts), 2 Zoanthrope, Bio-Support (3 Dagon Dactylis)
MAJOR SWARM (3-5 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [550]
Dagon Overlord, 3 Zoanthrope, 3 Bio-Support (3 Dagon Dactylis)


Slow but it has insane AA coverage, surprising sturdy in an assault, general 4+ sv, 11 activations and can put out 13 disrupt templates at 90cm IF per turn.

The Bio-support instinctive Swarm is far superior to the Bio Artillery/Bio-bomber instinctive Swarms. would really like the biovores to be more viable. Maybe make the Bio-support option only selectable by secondary synapse swarms to prevent spam. Also should be rejigged a bit.

Author:  Mrdiealot [ Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.5 and original F-ERC lists

Great to see some stress-testing of the list!

Yeah, that looks like it could be scary... I've been a bit concerned about Dactylis-spam, but not been sure what to do about it. I think the main problem is in the Minor Swarm, since it is so spammable. So upping the price a bit on the support swarm to 125 and limiting them to the Nexus, Major and the Attack Swarm might be enough.

Zoanthrope Spam doesn't concern me as much as they're quite slow and they only have 30cm AA. Perhaps it would be a good idea to revert to how it was before where you could only have 2 in each Minor Swarm.

Also agree that the Biovores are not terribly attractive, especially not in comparison to the Dactylis. Being the only artillery available to the Minor Swarm will make them more attractive I think. They're also LV, so they protect the Synapse Creatures better than most other things.

That's actually the main thing with the Bio-Bombers as well. Since they're AV they help protect the Synapse Creatures when you build flying Swarms.

edit: v4.51b added below. Bio-Support to 125, and can't be in Minor Swarm. Direct attack on Dactylis nerfed to AP5+/AT6+. Max 2 Zoanthropes in Minor Swarm. Exocrine also changed a bit.

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Author:  Mrdiealot [ Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.51 and original F-ERC lists

Main post updated to v4.51

Author:  atension [ Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:45 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.51 and original F-ERC lists

Looking good. Just wondering why the lictors had a movement reduction in this version compaired to the approved.

Author:  atension [ Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.51 and original F-ERC lists

Incompertus, 3000 POINTS 
Hive Fleet Dagon (4.51 TCMD forum) 
================================================== 
MAJOR SWARM (3-5 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [450] 
Hive Tyrant, 3 Gaunts (4 Termagaunts), Carnifex (3 Carnifex), Mycetic Spore // May transport Termagaunts, Hormagaunts, Biovores, Carnifex, Raveners, Hive Tyrants, Dagon Overlord, Tyranid Warriors, Zoanthropes // Transported units may not have Wings, 2 Zoanthrope, Tyranid Warriors
MAJOR SWARM (3-5 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [425] 
Hive Tyrant, 3 Gaunts (4 Termagaunts), Bio-Attack (2 Dagon Haruspex), Mycetic Spore // May transport Termagaunts, Hormagaunts, Biovores, Carnifex, Raveners, Hive Tyrants, Dagon Overlord, Tyranid Warriors, Zoanthropes // Transported units may not have Wings, 2 Zoanthrope, Tyranid Warriors
HARASSER SWARM (1-2 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [200] 
Harridan, Gargoyles (4 Dagon Gargoyles)
ATTACK SWARM (1-2 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [275] 
Barbed Hierodule Prime, Bio-Support (3 Dagon Dactylis)
BIO-VESSEL [150] 
Razorfiend (May carry 2 Mycetic Spores including cargo)
MINOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [225] 
2 Tyranid Warriors, Gaunts (4 Termagaunts), Biovores (4 Biovores), Zoanthrope
MINOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [225] 
2 Tyranid Warriors, Gaunts (4 Termagaunts), Biovores (4 Biovores), Zoanthrope
MINOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [225] 
2 Tyranid Warriors, Gaunts (4 Termagaunts), Biovores (4 Biovores), Zoanthrope
MAJOR SWARM (3-5 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [400] 
3 Gargoyles (4 Dagon Gargoyles), 3 Tyranid Warrior Shrikes (Wings), Dagon Overlord Shrike (Wings)
GENESTEALER SWARM [175] 
6 Genestealers, Broodlord
LICTOR SWARM [250] 
6 Dagon Lictors

I think this would be a good all round list. Strategy place the forward objectives close to the enemy blitz and dump the two planetfall major swarms on them to sow chaos and hold some objectives. The fast flying formations will harrass. 4 artillery formatioms to defend with the garrison of stealers. The lictors in your back pocket for a last minute objective steal or pressure piece on the hive ship drop to assassinate the opponets SC. Lots of AA spread around, it wont kill much but it will stack the BMs on the fliers.

Author:  Mrdiealot [ Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.51 and original F-ERC lists

Looking good, but you can't have Haruspexes in Mycetic Spores tho. Mixing in Biovores in the Minor Swarms like that is interesting, I imagine they become quite resilient and flexible.

Author:  Mrdiealot [ Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.51 and original F-ERC lists

atension wrote:
Looking good. Just wondering why the lictors had a movement reduction in this version compaired to the approved.


They have 15cm move in the French original, and I think it compensates somewhat for them being a lot nastier in CC than the Onachus variant. Could be seen as a biological trade-off between speed and power if you will.

Author:  atension [ Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.51 and original F-ERC lists

Mrdiealot wrote:
Looking good, but you can't have Haruspexes in Mycetic Spores tho. Mixing in Biovores in the Minor Swarms like that is interesting, I imagine they become quite resilient and flexible.


Ooops. Some minor rejigging required then.

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