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[NetEA] Biel-Tan/Eldar change list

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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 7:53 pm 
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1. Recommended changes

Units

Fire Prisms ? Prism Cannon, 60cm, AP4+/AT2+, Lance

Jetbikes ? Armour 5+

Warp Spiders ? lose scouts

Army List

Guardian Warhost ? add 2-3 Wraithguard +50 points each


2. Suggested changes

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Avatar ? remove Court of the Young King from ?Weapons? and create as a character unit

Howling Banshees - CC2+

Wave Serpents ? add Heavy Weapon Platform to transport options

Wraithguard ? Save 3+, lose reinforced armour

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Swords of Vaul Troupe - Five or six Falcons for 50 points each. ?
Up to two Falcons may be replaced with Fire Storms at no additional cost.
In addition, any number of Falcons may be upgraded to Fire Prisms for +15 points each.

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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 10:13 pm 
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I can dig all of those.  Thank you for dropping the Shields of Vaul formation.

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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 10:34 pm 
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(nealhunt @ May 09 2008,22:13)
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I can dig all of those. ?Thank you for dropping the Shields of Vaul formation.

Yep, no "Shields of Vaul", just the Nightspinners, and no Aspect Troupe in Biel-Tan... *sigh* *laugh*

Note that the Swords of Vaul can get *two* Firestorms if desired.

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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 11:28 pm 
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these are basicly the rules i've been using for a while they work fine and i approve of them alot.

the only thing i can think of thats not there is the farseer getting leader because of the lack of spirit stones in the list any more, he is one of the few charaters with out it.

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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 12:41 pm 
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Seems these are all startlingly non-controversial!  *laugh*

I *knew* I should have left the Aspect Troupe in there, just to stir up the masses!  

Pulsar, I don't think I've seen leader on Farseers tested at all.  I've had no problem with them not having it.

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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 1:42 pm 
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The only ones that I feel are vaguely controversial are
  • The FirePrism changes,
    Please do not intoduce these until the "Swords of Vaul" formation is adopted, and please reinstate AA (which was removed due to the introduction of the "shields" as an alternative source)
  • The Howling Banshees,
    Mainly because I do not think anyone has tested it other than me (and you know my views :p ).





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(Ginger @ May 10 2008,13:42)
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and please reinstate AA

Not sure what you mean by this.

Currently, the Falcon Troupe can get 2 Firestorms, and the proposed Swords of Vaul formation can as well.

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Well, as it stands in the current list, you can get 3x FirePrisms for 250 points. It is a fragile formation but one that has ranged AT fire and also has limited AA capabilities.

I understood that the reduction to the ranged AT fire was linked to the addition of the FP to the "Swords of Vaul" because it became more resilient; and the AA was removed because the new "Shields of Vaul" formation made it redundant.

So, I am suggesting that, when the "Swords of Vaul" formation is re-introduced, the FirePrism range is reduced at the same time.

However, if we are not planning on using the "Shields" (a good move IMO as I felt that formation caused more problems than it solved); then do not take away AA from the FirePrisms.

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(Chroma @ May 10 2008,12:41)
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Pulsar, I don't think I've seen leader on Farseers tested at all. ?I've had no problem with them not having it.

sorry i should have put it at a latter date for playtesting,
this is not the place for it.

and on the fireprism front i've always wondered why they made it an AA tank when it never was before or since.





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I think those changes are good.

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Seems all rather good. No Sword of Vaul formation so that is a good thing. Any specifics on what the Avatar and the Court would look like?

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(pixelgeek @ May 11 2008,04:02)
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Any specifics on what the Avatar and the Court would look like?

The Avatar and CotYK would just be seperated out into two datafax.  

This is mainly a fix for other Eldar lists so one doesn't always have to add: "The [other Craftworld] Avatar doesn't include the CotYK" all the time.

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The Howling Banshees,
Mainly because I do not think anyone has tested it other than me (and you know my views :p ).


I believe Pulsar has played these with CC2+ at least half a dozen times now.

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(Evil and Chaos @ May 11 2008,12:54)
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I believe Pulsar has played these with CC2+ at least half a dozen times now.

And...   :D

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As a compromise you could allow 1 Fire Storm to replace a Night Spinner in the Night Spinner Troupe. Artillery formations without AA support are always going to be under threat of ground attacks.

Does this mean the Falcon and Fireprism Troupes disappear?  Or are you leaving them in for backwards compatibility.





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