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 Post subject: overwatch stalling
PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 9:36 pm 
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Had a game a few days ago.

A question came up. A formation goes on overwatch turn 1 and remains on overwatch to turn 2. Is it allowed to activate on turn two just to go to overwatch again? (Was used to "stall" activations to force me to commit forward).

We couldn't find it handled in the overwatch rules or the FAQ so we allowed it.


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 Post subject: Re: overwatch stalling
PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 9:46 pm 
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I think it is probably allowed since you either use up overwatch or do a different order. Even if the new order just happen be another overwatch. The risk is similar for failing an activation and being forced to hold order. -losing overwatch in the meantime-

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 Post subject: Re: overwatch stalling
PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 9:58 pm 
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Yes. Staying on OW was a concept introduced in the 2008 revisions, where a formation that was on OW and had not used it could go into the next turn on OW. In the next turn, the formation may attempt to activate to stay on OW, but if it fails the activation the formation then performs a "Hold" activation.

Note that Aircraft on CAP is slightly different in that the formation may carry CAP over to the following turn but may *not* choose another action in that turn (the argument being that they need to return to base to change their weaponry for a different mission).


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 Post subject: Re: overwatch stalling
PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:03 pm 
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Ok thanks guys then we played it correctly! Seemed probably right as the player would otherwise be down one activation.


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 Post subject: Re: overwatch stalling
PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:05 pm 
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BTW a second question. Is this also true then for a formation that starts the game on overwatch (from garrison). Could they also do the same?


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:29 pm 
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Borka wrote:
BTW a second question. Is this also true then for a formation that starts the game on overwatch (from garrison). Could they also do the same?


Yup... it's a typical 'stalling' activation often performed by pesky Eldar rangers and the like....


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 Post subject: Re: overwatch stalling
PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:26 am 
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Reedar wrote:
Borka wrote:
BTW a second question. Is this also true then for a formation that starts the game on overwatch (from garrison). Could they also do the same?


Yup... it's a typical 'stalling' activation often performed by pesky Eldar rangers and the like....

Guilty as charged!

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:31 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: overwatch stalling
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:35 pm 
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Yeah, my gunz mobz do it all the time!

Interstingly I seem to recall if the 'stalling' overwatchee's are the last formation that you acitivate then they automatically pass the activation test?

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 Post subject: Re: overwatch stalling
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:25 pm 
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The point is that if the player has no further activations and elects to "pass" (retaining the formation on OW) then he has effectively ended his turn.


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 Post subject: Re: overwatch stalling
PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:11 am 
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Cheers Ginger; didn't think there was a specific rule but that's the situation I'm discussing. I presume it's legal to declare a 'pass' and therefore end your turn? Can you do that at any point? For example if you had more than 1 activation (say 3 or 4 even) on overwatch like what may be the case with an army like siegers?

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 Post subject: Re: overwatch stalling
PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:54 am 
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Section 1.6 states you can't elect to past, and all unbroken units must make an activation test, meaning ow units would need to roll as would any units as they might fail and gain a bm


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 7:13 pm 
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Agreed Jon - except that the ERC decided to permit "Passing" where the only remaining formations are Broken or on OW, to allow a formation on OW to avoid taking the test and failing. Hence the FAQ:-
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Q: Can a unit remain on Overwatch into a following turn?
A: If the Formation hasn't fired by the end of the turn, then they can remain on Overwatch into the following turn.


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 Post subject: Re: overwatch stalling
PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:30 pm 
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When was that ruling made ginger? Thought I was looking at the latest version of through rule book :s


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