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Hive Fleet Dagon v4.71 vs Net EA Orcs

 Post subject: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.71 vs Net EA Orcs
PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:34 am 
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First game with v4.71, this time checking whether Nest Swarms with heaps of Biovores and Dactylis are overpowered. Since this version made Biovores Inf it was also interesting to see whether they would be too hard to kill. Also interesting to see how the Major Swarm (which right now feels like the most important formation in the list) plays after the changes made to it. Another interesting formation are the "Drop Swarms", which is what I call very basic Minor Swarms where the flexible choice is simply to put them in a Mycetic Spore. Not very durable but quite cheap and potentially very dangerous.

Argol copied an Orc War Horde-list played in the 2017 EEC, so we could be sure that it was a competitive list we were testing against. Still, this was Argol's first time playing Orcs ever...


Nests Galore, 3000 POINTS
Hive Fleet Dagon (4.71 TCMD forum)
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MAJOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [525]
4 Tyranid Warriors, Dagon Overlord, 2 Carnifex (3 Carnifex)

MAJOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [300]
2 Zoanthrope, Bio-Attack (2 Dagon Malefactors), Hive Tyrant, 2 Tyranid Warriors, Gaunts (2 Termagaunts, 3 Hormagaunts)

MAJOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [300]
2 Zoanthrope, Bio-Attack (2 Dagon Malefactors), Hive Tyrant, 2 Tyranid Warriors, Gaunts (2 Termagaunts, 3 Hormagaunts)

MINOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [200]
3 Zoanthrope, Gaunts (3 Termagaunts, 2 Hormagaunt), Mycetic Spore // May transport Termagaunts, Hormagaunts, Biovores, Carnifex, Raveners, Hive Tyrants, Dagon Overlord, Tyranid Warriors, Zoanthropes // Transported units may not have Wings,

MINOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [200]
3 Zoanthrope, Mycetic Spore, Gaunts (3 Termagaunts, 2 Hormagaunt) // May transport Termagaunts, Hormagaunts, Biovores, Carnifex, Raveners, Hive Tyrants, Dagon Overlord, Tyranid Warriors, Zoanthropes // Transported units may not have Wings

HIVE SWARM (1-2 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [250]
Hive Nest, Biovores (4 Biovores), Gargoyles (4 Dagon Gargoyles)

HIVE SWARM (1-2 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [250]
Hive Nest, Biovores (4 Biovores), Gargoyles (4 Dagon Gargoyles)

HIVE SWARM (1-2 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [325]
Hive Nest, Biovores (4 Biovores), Bio-Support (3 Dagon Dactylis)

HIVE SWARM (1-2 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [325]
Hive Nest, Biovores (4 Biovores), Bio-Support (3 Dagon Dactylis)

GENESTEALER SWARM [175]
6 Genestealers, Broodlord

BIO-VESSEL [150]
Razorfiend (May carry 2 Mycetic Spores including cargo)


EEC 2017, 3000 POINTS
Ghazgkhull Thraka's War Horde (NetEA Tournament Pack 2013)
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WARBAND (BIG) [400]
4 Nobz, 12 Boyz, 4 Grotz, Boyz + Grotz, Big Gun

WARBAND [250]
2 Nobz, 6 Boyz, 2 Grotz, 2 Boyz + Grotz

WARBAND [250]
2 Nobz, 6 Boyz, 2 Grotz, 2 Boyz + Grotz

BLITZ BRIGADE (BIG) [350]
2 Oddboy, 6 Gunwagon, 2 Flakwagon

BLITZ BRIGADE [200]
Oddboy, 3 Gunwagon, Flakwagon

BLITZ BRIGADE [200]
Oddboy, 3 Gunwagon, Flakwagon

BLITZ BRIGADE [150]
4 Deth Kopta

KULT OF SPEED [200]
8 Skorcha

STORMBOYZ WARHORDE [250]
6 Stormboyz, 4 Skorcha

STORMBOYZ WARHORDE [150]
6 Stormboyz

LANDA [200]

LANDA [200]

FIGHTA SKWADRON [200]
4 Fighta Bomba

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Start of turn 1. Tyranid Spaceship comes in turn 1. Two orc warbands are inside the Landas.

The objectives are alternating along the middle line, and its swarming with Tyranids and Orcs since both sides have got plenty of Garrisons. The Orc BTS has been located on a forward position inside some ruins, but unbeknownst to them they're smack in the middle of the Tyranid barrage!

In the Tyranid deployment are 2 Major Swams left and in the middle, and the BTS Major Swarm to the right. A Hive Nest with Biovores and Dactylis guard the Blitz.

On the Orc side are Skorchas on the left, three Blitz Brigades in the centre.

Orcs win strat-roll.

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Turn 1, Activation 1, OWH: Skorchas doubles and fires at the Genestealers in the ruins, killing 3, breaking them.

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Turn 1, Activation 2, OWH Retain: Stormboyz with Skorchas engage the Hive Nest using the reroll, 2 Stormboyz are killed by OW, after 2 rounds of combat 1 Stormboy is killed, and Hive Nest is broken and remains with 1 DC left.

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Turn 1, Activation 3, HFD: Tyranid Spaceship arrives, carped-bombs the OWH BTS is the ruins, killing 3 nobs, 5 boyz and 1 big gun (ouch!). The two Mycetic Swarms arrives and gives two orc formations 1 BM each.

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Turn 1, Activation 4, HFD Retain: Drop Swarm engages the OWH BTS, taking 1 BM from OW, kills 1 Boy in exchange for 2 Hormagaunts and 2 Termagaunts. Their "Gaunts" rule means they don't count so fight is even but rolls 2 against 4, OWH BTS breaks.

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Turn 1, Activation 5, OWH: Blitz Brigade attempts to sustain at Drop Swarm, fails but fires anyway, killing 2 Gaunts for 1 BM.

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Turn 1, Activation 6, HFD: Second Drop Swarm doubles with the reroll, gives the big Blitz Brigade one BM.

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Turn 1, Activation 7, OWH: Death Koptas doubles and gives the Hive Nest 1 BM.

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Turn 1, Activation 8, OWH Retain: Stormboyz engage the Hive Nest, 1 Stormboy killed by OW, 1 Gargoyle killed for 2 Stormboyz, Stormboyz are wiped out and Death Koptas get 1 BM.

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Turn 1, Activation 9, HFD: Hive Nest by the HFD Blitz sustains at Stormboyz w Skorchas, killing 1 Skorcha and 1 Stormboy, breaking them.

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Turn 1, Activation 10, HFD Retain: Hive Nest on the left with Dactylis attempts to sustain, fails and removes BM instead.

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Turn 1, Activation 11, OWH: Fighta Bommers ground attacks the Blitz Guard Hive Nest, killing 3 Dactylis and 2 Biovores, breaking them.

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Turn 1, Activation 12, HFD: Major Swarm Marches into the central ruins.

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Turn 1, Activation 13, OWH: Blitz Brigade doubles and fires at the Hive Nest on the left, killing the Hive Nest with the Super-ZZap gun and 1 Dactylis, Swarm 1 BM from breaking.

Turn 1, Activation 14, HFD: Major BTS Swarm marches into the middle, takes cover in a forest.

Turn 1, Activation 15, OWH: Blitz Brigade engages the Drop Swarm, killing all gaunts and 1 Z, wins but Z are fearless and runs away.

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Turn 1, Activation 16, HFD: Major Swarm doubles, covers the Blitz and intercepts the Fighta Bommerz. HFD is out of activations.

Turn 1, Activation 17, OWH: Landa with Warband engages the Major Swarm by the Tyranid Blitz, taking 1 BM from AA, Tyranids kill 3 Grotz, Orcs kill 2 Gaunts, Orcs lead by one but wins the roll off, Tyranids break.

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Turn 1, Activation 18, OWH: Second Landa engages the Hiveless Hive Swarm, takes 1 BM from AA, the Swarm is wiped out for 2 Grotz and 1 Nob.

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Start of turn 2, OWH wins Strat roll.

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Turn 2, Activation 1, OWH: Landa Mob on the left engages the broken Major Swarm, kills 2 Warriors and 2 Zoanthropes for 2 Grotz and 1 Boy, wins and gives BMs to the Major Swarm, Hive Nest and Genestealers, breaking the Genestealers.

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Turn 2, Activation 2, OWH Retain, Skorchas engages the Major Swarm in the ruins, kills 1 Zoanthrope and one Malefactor for 3 in return, fight is even but Orcs win rolloff killing 1 Termagaunt more.

Turn 2, Activation 3, HFD: Drop Swarm on the right engages the Death Koptas, after 2 rounds of combat the Zoanthropes win and wipe out the Death Koptas.

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Turn 2, Activation 4, HFD Retain: Zoanthropes in the centre Marshall and gives the Skorchas 1 BM.

Turn 2, Activation 5, OWH: Big Blitz Brigade doubles and fires at the BTS Swarm, killing 1 Carnifex with a Supa-Zzapp.

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Turn 2, Activation 6 HFD: Hive Nest by the Blitz Marshalls and the Biovores move behind the Nest.

Turn 2, Activation 7, OWH: Blitz Brigade attempts to double, fails and shoots at the broken Hive Tyrant for no effect.

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Turn 2, Activation 8 HFD: Hive Swarm sustains at the Landa Mob, killing 1 Boy and 1 Nob.

Turn 2, Activation 9, OWH: Blitz Brigade attempts to double, fails and removes BMs.

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Turn 2, Activation 10 HFD: BTS Swarm engages the big Blitz Brigade, the Blitz Brigade countercharge and draw in the nearby Zoanthropes, BTS kills 2 Gunwagons for no damage in return, wins combat by 4. HFD is out of activations.

Turn 2, Activation 11 OWH: Fighta-Bommerz fails to activate.

Turn 2, Activation 12 OWH: Landa lands by the Tyranid Blitz, shoots at the Hive Swarm and kills it with a Crit.

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Turn 2, Activation 13 OWH: Second Landa lands, kills the broken Genestealers and picks up the Landa Warband.

Turn 2, Activation 14 OWH: Landa mob attempts to Marshall, fails and removes BMs,

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Start of turn 3. OWH wins strat roll.

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Turn 3, Activation 1, OWH: BTS Warband Marshalls and moves blocking out the OWH Blitz.

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Turn 3, Activation 2, OWH Retain: Stormboyz and Skorchas engage the Hive Nest, making no damage with loads of supporting Skorchas, suffers 1 damage from supporting Hive Tyrant, breaks for 2 extra damage. 4++ FTW!

Turn 3, Activation 3, HFD: Lone Hive Tyrant engages the Skorchas, is killed but the 2 kills it made breaks the Skorchas.

Turn 3, Activation 4, HFD Retain: Lone Hive Nest Marshalls with the reroll, removes 2 BMs.

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Turn 3, Activation 5, OWH: Blitz Brigade doubles and fires at the Hive Nest giving it 1 BM.

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Turn 3, Activation 6, Retain: Blitz Brigade Engages the two Zoanthropes, no damage on either side but the Zoanthropes break.

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Turn 3, Activation 7, HFD: Hive Swarm sustains at the Broken Blitz Brigade blocking the OWH Blitz, but only 1 BM.

Turn 3, Activation 8, HFD Retain, Zoanthropes attempt to double towards the OWH BTS and Blitz, fails and gives the broken Blitz Brigade an additional BM.

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Turn 3, Activation 9, OWH: Fighta Bommerz ground attack the HFD BTS Swarm, killing 1 Carnifex.

Turn 3, Activation 10, HFD: BTS Swarm engages the OWH BTS, the fight is even but Tyranids loses the roll-off.

Turn 3, Activation 11, Landa lands with Landa Mob and captures the third objective, Orcs win 2-0.

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 Post subject: Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.71 vs Net EA Orcs
PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:44 am 
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Things looked quite grim for the Orcs after the Tyranids first stomped at and then broke their BTS really hard at the start of the first turn, but after that Tyranids were playing defense for the entire game. The two Landas could pick apart the list at will, with no real counter, and while the Hive Nests were tough they weren't tough enough to hold back everything coming at them.

Going all out on Nest Swarms didn't really work all that well, tho they're certainly a useful formation. Other lessons are that the Major Swarm with Carnifexes is really hard, but should probably be dropped instead of legging it across the battlefield. Finally, the list really needs more activations to work properly, and more shooting would have been good too.

The formations that really held their own were the two "Drop Swarms" along with the Space Ship. They could actually have done even better had I not wasted the second Drop Swarm with simply moving and shooting after Argol got shell-shocked by their arrival. The Zoanthropes being fearless really helps them staying a threat and an annoyance to the enemy even after all the Instinctive units have been killed.

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 Post subject: Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.71 vs Net EA Orcs
PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:24 am 
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That was a good read! Nice work Argol! Yeah landa's are badass, best transport flyer in the game in my opinnion. Was an interesting match up, orks and nids play similarly so it was a good test. Biovores are not bad but far from amazing shooters also since they dont shoot templates like the UK version can't handle hordes quite as well. The zaps are also quite potent, also that was a crazy round of shooting from the fightas, killing 3 dactylis and 2 gaunts! Looks like luck was on the side of the orks too with multiple assault resolutions being even but won on the roll.

When you say that the nids need more activations and shooting hoping you can elaborate. I agree for an assault centric list high activation count is crtitcal. I want to like the nest swarms but the immobile makes them very limited. Means your opponent can very easily set up combined assaults. You had 11 activations afterall which is the high side of normal. Orks with 13 well thats just orks for you. Looking forward to your encounters with Eldar and Astartes! Keep the reports coming!

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