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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:38 pm 
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Stygians are on their way and I'm planning on using the approved KoP army list. Does anyone have any lists prepared 2-3K

Also I can't see any threads for this list, other than one on their vehicles, am I missing it?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:44 pm 
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Most of the threads for DE are actually in the Eldar section, rather than the Other Armies section.

Moscovian's review is probably the single best source of tactical info: viewtopic.php?f=24&t=20093

There are some 1000 point Kabal of Pain lists that were built for Minigeddon

I have to admit I actually prefer the EpicUK version of the list (available here) to the Raiders 2.0 version. It includes a lot of the fluff and new unit changes from the 2010 5th ed DE codex for 40k and cleans up the list structure so that formations are a little less grab bag. On the downside it did remove a few of the unique Raiders units, like the Tormentor and Kashnarak.

I haven't played the list myself, largely for lack of miniatures, but now that Onslaught is taking care of that issue, I expect that I'll probably try to make them one of my primary lists.

I'll probably start with this 1000 point "detachment", using the EpicUK list, with the idea of using this for Minigeddon level games.

Code:
## Base Kabal (1000) ##
Kabal Coterie (300)
   - 3 Incubi
   - 1 Incubi w/Archon
   - 4 Venom
Kabal Flotilla (225)
   - 4 Ravager
Kabal Flotilla (225)
   - 4 Ravager
Heavy Barge (250)
   - Vessel of Pain


That gives me plenty of anti-armor backed up by a decent engage unit with plenty of FF Support potential.

The second Minigeddon "detachment" I'll try will be this, with the idea that I can swap out the Incubi for warriors and turn the extra Coterie into another Kabal Syndicate and have a 2000 point force.

Code:
## Syndicates (1000) ##
Kabal Coterie (250)
   - 3 Incubi
   - 1 Incubi w/Archon
   - 2 Raider
   - 1 Ravager
Kabal Syndicate #1 (250)
   - 6 Warrior
   - 3 Raider
   - 1 Ravager
Reavers (250)
   - 5 Reaver
   - 1 Reaver w/Succubus
Reavers (250)
   - 5 Reaver
   - 1 Reaver w/Succubus


Two very fast CC engage units, backed up by some more FF Support units. As a stand alone list, it'd probably be hard to use well, and would depend on getting the coordination just right. Though a 3 unit Coordinated Assault should wreck anything it hits but good. As part of a 2000 list, this gives me some super fast late game objective takers and some anti-infantry to backup the somewhat anti-armor heavy nature of the first 1000 points.

Then, to take things to a "proper" 3000 point tournament army, I can load at least two formations of air craft for CAP and a Wraithgate. Then probably another Heavy Barge formation, and maybe some upgrades on the Coterie to give it some engagement staying power. Alternately, I might try a few formations of Mandrakes or Hellions. One thing I like about the DE list and the EpicUK version in particular is that a lot of the formations are all the same price, making it easy to swap a few in and out to see what works best for me.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:24 pm 
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Thanks DaR, these were really useful.

I have never seen a list with so many options and choosing an army is a little daunting and exciting at the same time.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:44 pm 
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If you try the EAUK list at 3 or 4k then definately try the mobile portal it really adds punch to the list.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 4:43 am 
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I generally use Net-EA lists but prefer the Epic-UK DE list too so will be using that myself. It seems more streamlined and I like the Venom, modern flyers, Wracks, mobile webway ect while not being that interested in the other Raiders units. I'll try both though and likely run it as the Raiders list sometimes for playtesting.

Being able to fire before or after moving and lend support to a FF if marching is very different and effects tactics and list builds. You need to factor webway portals and what to have come out of them. Under the Epic-UK list the Incubi counts as your BTS as well as your most expensive formation, so you might as well make it so (unless you're running an Executioner). The search on the forum doesn't work that well for posts over a few years old after forum crashes ages ago, but if you do some digging you should be able to find some old lists, battle reports and suggestions.

I haven't played with them myself yet as I don't have the models (though I'll probably try the army out over Tabletop first) but I threw together a possible list the other night:
4 Incubi, Archon, 2 Raiders, 2 Venoms 275
6 Warriors, 3 Raiders 200
6 Warriors, 3 Raiders 200
4 Ravagers 225
2 Haemonculi, 4 Wracks, 3 Raiders 250
6 Hellions 200
6 Wyches, 3 Raiders 200
6 Wyches, 3 Raiders 200
6 Wyches, 3 Raiders 200
6 Reavers 200
6 Scourges 250
Razorwings 200
Razorwings 200
Razorwings 200
14 activations and lots of fast deadly stuff to have fun with.

What sorts of lists have you used Tim? There are none up yet on the Epic-UK site so the don't seem so popular yet for some reason. Perhaps people are waiting for the Onslaight.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:07 pm 
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I've been using the Epic UK list @ 3k with the following build;

Kabal Coterie - 375
+2 Incubi
+3 Raider
+1 Ravager

Webway Portal - 50

Kabal Floatilla - 275
+1 Ravager

Kabal Floatilla - 275
+1 Ravager

Talos - 275
+1 Talos

Talos - 275
+1 Talos

Reavers - 250
+ Succubus

Scourges - 250

Scourges - 250

Heavy Barge (Vessel of Pain) - 250

Voidraven Bombers - 225

Voidraven Bombers - 225

Am tempted to drop something to try out the portable portal.

I've not had much of a look at the NetEA list but I know I want a Tormentor, anyone got any ideas on what to make one from?


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:32 pm 
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GlynG wrote:
There are none up yet on the Epic-UK site so the don't seem so popular yet for some reason. Perhaps people are waiting for the Onslaight.


There's a couple of Consul Avenging Angels tournament lists on the sight.
viewtopic.php?f=88&t=28261&start=90
picture of the army half way down the page.


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I've not had much of a look at the NetEA list but I know I want a Tormentor, anyone got any ideas on what to make one from?


Your best bet is probably to converte one. There are some really nice tutorials in the Raiders book if you have that.

I've started converting one from various 40k eldar and dark kin bits. Basically two suitable DE warrior torsos on top of each other. 4 eldar wraithguard arms (warrior arms are to small and looked wrong) attached with DE weapons for "hands". Legs are made from other DE bits.

It doesn't show in the picture but there's a wraithguard "wing-thing" at the back to represent some kind of eldar tech-propulsion system (it has jump packs rules).

Sorry for the poor quality photo. I only had my mobile at hand and it's primed black. I increased the brightness a bit to maybe make some details stand out of the particular bits.

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I haven't been able to finish it yet. I don't like how the legs turned out, but haven't had the time or inspiration to try to find something other more suitable.


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I plan to use the Warmachine Cryx Harrower figure for mine.

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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 11:36 am 
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IS there a link to the most current DE list? and who is in charge of it?


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As always=>

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and who is in charge of it?

It would officially be Moscovian, but as he is concentrating on real life at the moment the post can be considered open with a watching brief being held by myself.

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This is the list I ran at Castle Assault last year

Kabals – 850 Points
475 points – Kabal Flotilla – 6 Ravagers, Archon, Sybarite
375 points – Kabal Flotilla – 6 Ravagers, Sybarite
Partisans – 1650 points
225 Points – Reaver Gang – 6 Reaver Jetbikes, Sybarite
225 Points – Reaver Gang – 6 Reaver Jetbikes, Sybarite
400 Points – Talos Swarm – 4 Talos, 1 Slave Bringer Landing Barge (Bomber/ WE)
550 Points – Haemonculi Coven – 2 Haemonculi, 4 Grotesques, 2 Perditors, 3 Raiders
250 Points – Heavy Barge – 1 Vessel of Pain
Aircraft – 500 Points
250 Points – Razorwings – 2 Razorwings
250 Points – Razorwings – 2 Razorwings

The Haemonculi Coven performed quite well considering. I had to face off against 3 AMTL of the 5 games I played.

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