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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 12:36 am 
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Basically it comes down to: when the defender is allocating for equidistant units are they choosing which units count as 'front', or are they choosing the allocation amongst units that are all 'front'? If the former then it's hard to argue that they can change their mind without the units moving, but if it's the latter then it's hard to argue they don't get the choice.

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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 3:08 pm 
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From memory hits in an assault must be allocated to units in cc first. Normal, MW, and TK are separate rounds of allocation.

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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 3:12 pm 
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Indeed, that's how i've always played it. There is discretion from the defender 'how' it gets allocated. So for instance if Orks assault you out of a landa, the grots can either be used on the initial hits if they're in base contact, or saved for stuff like macro hits later if need be, and the hits can be taken on other units also in CC. Either way of course those grots are toast ;)


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 3:18 pm 
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Just checked the rules and they don't mention cc first. May have to dig into faq later.

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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 3:30 pm 
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Would be distance wouldn't it? (i.e. closest first) and you can't get any closer than CC. As everything in CC is also equidistant you can then also allocate as you wish. If you then run out of stands in CC it would then afterall be applied in distance from an enemy unit.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 5:27 pm 
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RichardL wrote:
Would be distance wouldn't it? (i.e. closest first) and you can't get any closer than CC. As everything in CC is also equidistant you can then also allocate as you wish. If you then run out of stands in CC it would then afterall be applied in distance from an enemy unit.

This is how i've always assumed it. Had a vassal game with a german player recently however where that was not the assumption – as it doesn't say CC first they can go anywhere in the assault (in range) defender chooses. Worth clarifying for an international event I think.

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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 6:40 pm 
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Ok here is what the shooting allocation section says

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1.9.6 Allocate Hits & Make Saving Throws
You must allocate hits inflicted on your formation against
targets that are within range and line of fire of the enemy. Hits
are allocated ‘from the front to the back’ of a formation. Note
that this is the opposite of suppression. AP hits can only be
allocated against infantry units, and AT hits may only be
allocated against armoured vehicles. Hits must be allocated to
the closest potential target first. You may not allocate a second
hit to a unit until one hit has been allocated to every potential
target, or allocate a third hit until all targets have been
allocated two hits, etc.


So front to back closest first..... yeah nice and vague :)

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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 1:52 am 
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RichardL wrote:
Would be distance wouldn't it? (i.e. closest first) and you can't get any closer than CC. As everything in CC is also equidistant you can then also allocate as you wish. If you then run out of stands in CC it would then afterall be applied in distance from an enemy unit.

I don't think base contact being first can be questioned as the rules literally say closest, but the 'allocate as you wish' is less clear. Some players interpret that the defender is free to allocate as they wish (i.e. any method they choose is following the rules so long as they allocate to base contact first), but others interpret that the defender is effectively choosing which units count as being closest from a set of units (i.e. to 'tiebreak'). It's a subtle distinction that is only relevant when there are multiple rounds of allocation.

Like you I fall in the former camp, but only because it seems a more literal interpretation: i.e. the rules don't say that choosing one makes it closer, so in the absence of that they are all closest hence you move on to the next part of the rule - defender allocates. But still, the rules also do not say that the defender chooses with any freedom, so it's perfectly possible to argue that by selecting a unit the defender must be classifying it as closer.

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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 9:27 am 
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I for one would welcome a move to in CC whoever the defender nominates as the closest unit for conventional hits remains the closest unit for any MW TK hits

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