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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 7:29 pm 
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Given that the Tallarn were my favorite 2e IG regiment, I'm quite saddened to see them relegated to a slightly too light, too 'new-faddish-unit' side-list. I'd prefer to keep regular rough riders in, keep Russes in. Lose the Tauros/Venator/Sabre/Mukaali units. I'd see them as medium-armour heavy, lots (and lots) of Sentinels, then reams of Chimera, Russes, Hydra, Griffons and a limited smattering of Chimera-based artillery. Not so much super-light hardware and no air, orbital, titan or super-heavy support. Then again, this might simply be a reaction to the "what the hell is a Tauros?" factor.

I had to look it up. Seriously. Good grief they look silly.


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 Post subject: Re: Tallarn Desert Regiment
PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 7:45 pm 
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Given that the Tallarn were my favorite 2e IG regiment, I'm quite saddened to see them relegated to a slightly too light, too 'new-faddish-unit' side-list. I'd prefer to keep regular rough riders in, keep Russes in. Lose the Tauros/Venator/Sabre/Mukaali units. I'd see them as medium-armour heavy, lots (and lots) of Sentinels, then reams of Chimera, Russes, Hydra, Griffons and a limited smattering of Chimera-based artillery. Not so much super-light hardware and no air, orbital, titan or super-heavy support. Then again, this might simply be a reaction to the "what the hell is a Tauros?" factor.


Thanks for the feedback. Tallarn is my favor IG as well.

Now, I hope I don't come off too sarcastic but:

Play a Steel Legion list, and paint the miniatures up to look like Tallarns. Seriously. Or, if you want an armored regiment, play a Minervan list and, again, paint the miniatures up to look like Tallarns. Airborne Tallanrs? Put together some desert-colored Elysians. There are many, many possibilities here to cover a bland, run-of-the-mill IG list, or a different specialist one that just happens to be Tallarn.

This is a Desert Raider list, full of LV and light infantry, using hit and run tactics and ambush. It's modeled after a mix of Lawrence of Arabia and the Desert Rats of WWII. There isn't a list like this for IG and there should be one.

A Tauros is a lighter utility and scout vehicle used by Elysians. Not only is it useful for this kind of warfare (with this list), it also looks like an overgrown dune buggy. Two main reasons why it is in this list.

But, honestly, if you have any suggestions, the please put up a different army list of your own design. We're trying to work things out here. Our goal is, like I mentioned, an LV and light-infantry list that relies on speed, maneuver and ambush to get the job done. This list will not be one designed to slug it toe-to-toe. It will disrupt the enemy's plan, flank them, and grab objectives before the enemy can regroup. It should feel and play differently than any other IG lists.

I'm glad you're showing interest. This is a list that probably needed to be done some time ago.

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 Post subject: Re: Tallarn Desert Regiment
PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 7:19 pm 
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...Desert Rats of WWII...


I just have to leave a point then. The Desert Rats being the inspiration? They are possibly the single most famous cavalry/armoured/tank (division, then later) regiment in the entire British Army. That's the Tallarn right there and that's what I felt I suggested. I appreciate that you want to take your list in a very different direction, so then we disagree. I had hoped that some possibility for compromise could exist, but you have a vision and that's that. You did, however, get a little excessive in your aggression towards me in defending your vision, and I'm sorry you feel the need to call dissenting opinions bland and run-of-the-mill. So, I'll work on my own list that's a bit more 'up-armoured', in which guns actually were given to Lawrence and stop applying feedback to this one as per your wishes.

I wish you luck with your dune buggies and lizards!


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:21 pm 
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Calm down, there has been no aggression in these discussions and let's keep it like that

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:37 pm 
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Thanks for the feedbacK!

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...Desert Rats of WWII...


Yes, Desert Rats. I know my history very well...

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I just have to leave a point then. The Desert Rats being the inspiration? They are possibly the single most famous cavalry/armoured/tank (division, then later) regiment in the entire British Army. That's the Tallarn right there and that's what I felt I suggested.


When referring to "Desert Rats", I do so to bring up the doctine used by them, not specifically the equipment. Our list does have a bit of AV in it in a limited fashion, in the form of fast tanks that can create a breakthrough for the lighter units to make use of, or to provide an anchor on a flank supporting a LV drive up the other side. The flavor of this list is "light infantry and LV raiding and ambushing and such". Not going toe-to-toe in an armored slugfest.

The Desert Rats did make use of light vehicles quite often. A favorite was Especially during raids, which is what the Tallarn Desert Raiders are all about. I know all about them. I admire them.


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I appreciate that you want to take your list in a very different direction, so then we disagree. I had hoped that some possibility for compromise could exist, but you have a vision and that's that. You did, however, get a little excessive in your aggression towards me in defending your vision, and I'm sorry you feel the need to call dissenting opinions bland and run-of-the-mill. So, I'll work on my own list that's a bit more 'up-armoured', in which guns actually were given to Lawrence and stop applying feedback to this one as per your wishes.


I merely referred to those as "bland" and "run-of-the-mill" merely because that's an accurate descriptor. There is nothing wrong with any of the other lists. It was not an insult nor was it used to dissuade anyone from taking part in the discussion. Compromise does exist, but one post by you and then getting angry doesn't consist of compromise on your part.

I'll post this example again: a standard Tallarn Armor Regiment is represented very well by a Minervan list. We don't need another armored tank list, we've got a good one and it's official. If you post a list that is vastly different from that, it will be interesting and all of us involved can work through it and come up with a great list for all! If a Tallarn list is all armor and nothing to give it it's own "flavor", then why bother when such an army can be replicated using other lists?

Also note, that I do not wish for you to stop applying feedback. That is a complete fabrication on your part. By requesting you put up your own list, that is asking you to become part of this discussion. I enjoy reading other ideas. Convince us that something needs to be changed, don't do a hit-and-run (oh, pun?) and storm off in anger. I am not an army champion, just a fan that decided the Tallarns needed to be represented in this fashion. Doesn't mean that this is the only way Tallarns can be represented.

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Again, thank you. I am sorry that you got so unnecessarily upset over this, as any feedback is good feedback in my opinion. I hope to get to playtest some stuff soon. And I look forward to your own lists.

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 Post subject: Re: Tallarn Desert Regiment
PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:06 pm 
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I haven't given up on this. I'm just finding it very hard to get free time to vassal out a playtest. My apologies.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 12:44 am 
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Well, reading through this old thread about the Elysians:

viewtopic.php?f=74&t=19160

...got me thinking a bit, since the Tallarn Desert Raider list would be similar to an Elysian Drop list (reliance on light vehicles--which is fluffy and fine for the Tallarns). There isn't the massive teleport issue with the Tallarns, and this list does feature some AV (Conquerors). But I'm specifically looking at Sentinel formations, Tauros vanilla vs. Venator upgrades, and Desert Raider Scouts (teleporting). Plus the light artillery present. Basically, everything. Ugh.

Not sure what this post is trying to accomplish, I guess I'm just trying to raise some questions again about it and get some happy discussion going again.

Oh, and maybe I can finally get to playtest this on Vassal sometime....unless someone else has jumped in on that already?

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 Post subject: Re: Tallarn Desert Regiment
PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:25 pm 
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Here's a finalized list for playtesting:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jifag8yu00u8t ... 0.pdf?dl=0

Got rid of Taruos transports and added Centaurs. No need to create a completely new unit when the stats were nearly identical to a Centaur, which serves the same purpose. At least in my opinion.

Have fun with it!

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 Post subject: Re: Tallarn Desert Regiment
PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:48 pm 
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Dig it!
Perhaps though the support sentinels should be an upgrade?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:55 pm 
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The Sentinel formation should perform a core mission (scouting/engagement), with upgrades changing that mission (fire support). So, yeah, you're right. I can't remember the original reason why I had them mixed, but I know I had one Probably something to do with old age.

I will make that change shortly.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 6:23 pm 
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Changethed. Not sure how many Sentinels should be in a formation, so I put 10 and we'll see how that goes. I'm inclined to have 8 instead for some reason.

UPDATE: Added land transporters to Infantry Companies and Snipers as upgrades.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:46 pm 
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Ok since this died (again) Apoc and myself started chatting at the end of last year and took a revised look and came up with this approach. This is very El Alamein in space...

Heavy use of fast armour, Mukaali, desert raider infiltrators, and of course the Tallarn Support Sentinel from FW.

So thoughts welcome. Should we ditch this or see it through?
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-updated with corrections to Vulture and Hellhound stats
-Added salamander support platoon, renamed salamander upgrade to Salamander Command

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??? It hasn't died in my mind. I check up on it and go through my own notes every once in a while. Was hoping that someone would eventually step in and do a bit of playtesting.

Your list does look good. Maybe some playtesting will take place. What happened to the Tauros, though? Seems a great fit for this army.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 11:17 pm 
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This list (Zimms/Apocs variant) looks really cool actually! I would see it through.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 11:23 pm 
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I'd dump the Hellhounds for something lighter and more recce-like. Hellhounds in a desert seem to ignore the tanks purpose--rooting out enemies in cover.

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